Discussion:
Where is the moderator??
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type your name here
2003-08-28 22:19:09 UTC
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The Mom <***@yahoo.com> news:***@4ax.com alt.horsecare.basics 28
Aug 2003
Wow, thanks for speaking up... I'm a beginning horse owner, and since
signing up a few weeks ago I've wondered why I bother downloading!
I, too am not amused by the imature comments, etc., that I've seen
here. I would welcome ANY true horse DISCUSSION!
That leaves me wondering why you bothered uploading to contribute
to a discussion that's not about horses.
Instead of wasting your time talking to that jabbering idiot, why
don't you start a new thread and tell us about how you're coping
with looking after your new horse?

We're all good friends here and only too glad to help a novice.
Excuse me, but it seems that this is SUPPOSED to be a forum for
discussing the basics of horse care. Lately all that I have seen here
is spam and some incredibly rude people who have no business posting the
kind of garbage that they have been.
If this newsgroup is moderated, then where is the moderator, and what
are they doing????? Why is this abuse being allowed to continue? And
are all the legitimate readers spooked away because of all the crap
posted lately? It would be nice to see this forum return to a useful
state. There are plenty of horse owners out there who would be
interested in sharing the information available here, once we get rid of
the garbage.
For those of you who are committing these offences, please refrain from
your childish pranks. If you must continue, then go bother another
newsgroup, and leave us alone. And yes, I do have a sense of humor,
however, I DO NOT find your comments to be either funny, or appropriate.
Tammy
The Mom
2003-08-29 05:26:50 UTC
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I'm not sure what you mean by my "bothering"... I was simply asking if
the purpose of this newsgroup was lost on anyone else that is here...
actually, my post IS about horses, in that I WOULD like to discuss
them... but not be judged by anyone who responds to a new poster in a
manner that is also questionable.

So far, 99% of any posts here ARE by "jabboring idiots" (as you say).
In the two weeks I've subscribed, that is all I have to work with as
far as forming an opinion is concerned.

Frankly, your comment to my agreement that we SHOULD be talking about
horses leaves me to wonder if it's "safe" to do so, without being
judged.

If this is a safe, supportive environment for questions... I have
plenty of them!


On 28 Aug 2003 23:19:09 +0100, type your name here
Post by type your name here
Aug 2003
Wow, thanks for speaking up... I'm a beginning horse owner, and since
signing up a few weeks ago I've wondered why I bother downloading!
I, too am not amused by the imature comments, etc., that I've seen
here. I would welcome ANY true horse DISCUSSION!
That leaves me wondering why you bothered uploading to contribute
to a discussion that's not about horses.
Instead of wasting your time talking to that jabbering idiot, why
don't you start a new thread and tell us about how you're coping
with looking after your new horse?
We're all good friends here and only too glad to help a novice.
Excuse me, but it seems that this is SUPPOSED to be a forum for
discussing the basics of horse care. Lately all that I have seen here
is spam and some incredibly rude people who have no business posting the
kind of garbage that they have been.
If this newsgroup is moderated, then where is the moderator, and what
are they doing????? Why is this abuse being allowed to continue? And
are all the legitimate readers spooked away because of all the crap
posted lately? It would be nice to see this forum return to a useful
state. There are plenty of horse owners out there who would be
interested in sharing the information available here, once we get rid of
the garbage.
For those of you who are committing these offences, please refrain from
your childish pranks. If you must continue, then go bother another
newsgroup, and leave us alone. And yes, I do have a sense of humor,
however, I DO NOT find your comments to be either funny, or appropriate.
Tammy
Craig
2003-08-30 10:09:42 UTC
Permalink
Aug
2003
Post by The Mom
I'm not sure what you mean by my "bothering"...
And because you've top posted, neither will anyone else.
Post by The Mom
I was simply asking if
the purpose of this newsgroup was lost on anyone else that is here...
actually, my post IS about horses, in that I WOULD like to discuss
them... but not be judged by anyone who responds to a new poster in a
manner that is also questionable.
Well, whether you like it or not, I'm still helping you by showing
you how to post properly.
Post by The Mom
So far, 99% of any posts here ARE by "jabboring idiots" (as you say).
In the two weeks I've subscribed, that is all I have to work with as
far as forming an opinion is concerned.
Frankly, your comment to my agreement that we SHOULD be talking about
horses leaves me to wonder if it's "safe" to do so, without being
judged.
If you're going to quote statistics based on your opinion of 99% of the
posters to this group, can you really expect them *not* to judge you?
OBTW, if you intend to quote and cite people, copy and paste the quote
to avoid inaccuracies and the possibility of a misunderstanding that
cannot be easily validated by top posting.
Post by The Mom
If this is a safe, supportive environment for questions... I have
plenty of them!
LOL
This is Usenet, do as you please. Although it is apparent that it'll
be *safer* for you to only ask horse related questions.
I have to put up with much abuse from others in this newsgroup, but
take no notice of them. All advice is freely given and you are under
no obligation to take it or agree with it.
HTH
HAND
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been given a horse
to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and general
care.
Out of all the newsgroups one would think this would be the right one. I
stated reading letters and found lots of interesting topics in the headers.
Unfortunately on opening about 20 letters I only found rubbish personal
comments and nothing about horse care at all. The posts resemble a cheap
chat room conversation and are about as interesting.
You've certainly lost me.
type your name here
2003-08-30 10:59:40 UTC
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"Craig" <***@bigpond.com> news:GJ_3b.72889$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au alt.horseback.riding
30 Aug 2003
Post by Craig
Aug
2003
Post by The Mom
I'm not sure what you mean by my "bothering"...
And because you've top posted, neither will anyone else.
Post by The Mom
I was simply asking if
the purpose of this newsgroup was lost on anyone else that is here...
actually, my post IS about horses, in that I WOULD like to discuss
them... but not be judged by anyone who responds to a new poster in a
manner that is also questionable.
Well, whether you like it or not, I'm still helping you by showing
you how to post properly.
Post by The Mom
So far, 99% of any posts here ARE by "jabboring idiots" (as you say).
In the two weeks I've subscribed, that is all I have to work with as
far as forming an opinion is concerned.
Frankly, your comment to my agreement that we SHOULD be talking about
horses leaves me to wonder if it's "safe" to do so, without being
judged.
If you're going to quote statistics based on your opinion of 99% of the
posters to this group, can you really expect them *not* to judge you?
OBTW, if you intend to quote and cite people, copy and paste the quote
to avoid inaccuracies and the possibility of a misunderstanding that
cannot be easily validated by top posting.
Post by The Mom
If this is a safe, supportive environment for questions... I have
plenty of them!
LOL
This is Usenet, do as you please. Although it is apparent that it'll
be *safer* for you to only ask horse related questions.
I have to put up with much abuse from others in this newsgroup, but
take no notice of them. All advice is freely given and you are under
no obligation to take it or agree with it.
HTH
HAND
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been given a
horse to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and
general care.
Out of all the newsgroups one would think this would be the right one. I
stated reading letters and found lots of interesting topics in the
headers. Unfortunately on opening about 20 letters I only found rubbish
personal comments and nothing about horse care at all. The posts
resemble a cheap chat room conversation and are about as interesting.
You've certainly lost me.
G'day, Craig.
You can lead a horse to water, but you know its gonna make a mess.
MyFriendFlicka (
2003-08-30 17:18:31 UTC
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Post by Craig
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been given a horse
to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and general
care.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

You do know that horses are large, stupid, accident prone animals prone
to panicking and running off with no thought whatsoever for the safety
of themselves or anyone around them?

They need their hooves trimmed every few weeks or the hooves will become
overgrown and make them lame. Many also need shoes, which must be
replaced every few weeks. You must clean their hooves out frequently to
prevent stones or other debris from becoming trapped and injuring the
foot, causing abcesses or fungal infections. Of course this means you
must know how to pick the horse's feet up without it leaning on you for
support or struggling to get away. And if the horse does not behave
properly for the farrier (blacksmith), the farrier won't come back and
you'll have to find another one.

They need worming every few weeks, or the worms will multiply inside
them to the point that their intestines become obstructed, causing
excruciating pain (colic) and eventual agonizing death if untreated.
Treatment may require an emergency visit from the vet, including
medications or even abdominal surgery, at significant expense.

Their food rations need to be carefully controlled, otherwise they will
literally eat themselves to death. Too much or the wrong kind of food,
or even a sudden change of diet will cause their hooves to become
inflamed (founder), causing excruciating pain that will lead to death or
serious and permanent lameness unless the symptoms are recognized and
treated within the first few hours.

Mares come into heat every few weeks and may become dangerous to
themselves and those around them as their mating drive overtakes any
manners they might have had. Stallions can only be handled safely by
people with special training and experience -- a stallion's sex drive
easily overcomes their training otherwise, and they can and will kill
anyone who gets in their way. Geldings (castrated stallions) are usually
more even tempered, but those gelded later in life, or who still produce
male hormones (testosterone) can exhibit stallion-like behavior, with
all the inherent dangers.

Horses will dominate anyone (horse or human) who in the horse's judgment
is too weak to fight back. This means being bitten, kicked, and
trampled, particularly at feeding time. This often leads to injuries and
accidents (and expensive veterinary treatment) as horses pastured
together fight for dominance. You will NEVER win a battle of strength
with a horse, even a small one. That leaves only your experience and
brains, or some means of inflicting enough pain and fear on the horse
that it does what you want.

They need their teeth checked every few months for uneven wear, which
must be filed down (with the horse restrained or sedated) so that it can
comfortably eat. If you are trying to ride a horse whose teeth are
hurting its mouth, the bit and bridle will cause it unnecessary pain.
When a horse feels pain, its first instinct is to run away as fast as it
can.

Their stalls must be cleaned out daily to remove droppings and urine,
and bedding (straw, shavings, whatever) replaced so the horse can lie
down without injuring itself. Horses that lie down in their stalls can
sometimes become stuck against a wall (cast) -- even in a large box
stall -- and because of their size and anatomy, be unable to free
themselves. You could be badly injured or killed as the horse thrashes
about.

Pastures need to be maintained properly, with droppings and toxic plants
(of which there is an endless variety) removed regularly to avoid worm
infestation or poisoning. Fencing must be safe for horses, and should
not consist of barbed wire, anything with sharp edges, loose boards or
post, or splinters, anything low enough to be jumped, anything high
enough that the horse can roll under it and get loose or become trapped,
and must be strong enough to withstand a blindly panicking 1000 pound
animal running into it at 30 to 40 miles an hour without breaking or
injuring the horse.

Being kept in a stall is no assurance of protection from injury -- as
other posters have recently pointed out, some of the worst injuries have
occurred while the horse is alone in its stall.

Horses are prone to respiratory allergies and infections (asthma,
heaves) from dust and fungal spores in hay. This requires ongoing
medication and special diets. Horses can also get skin allergies (hives)
and infections (rain rot), making them miserably itchy. Their attempts
to relive the itching can cause further injury and widespread infection.

Male horses need to have the smegma and dirt removed from their penises
a few times a year. If left unattended, the smegma can build up within
the urethral opening, causing obstruction of urin flow, leading to
inflammation, infection, and extreme discomfort to the horse. Mares also
need their udders cleaned of smegma and dirt. This is a nasty and
disgusting job, and horses dislike it even more than people. The vet
will do it for a fee, but if the horse must be sedated, a side effect of
the sedation may injure the nerves that allow the penis to extend and
retract, causing the penis to dangle permanently outside the body,
exposing it to injury.

Horses need sufficient exercise of the proper type to keep them mentally
and physically fit. If they are exercised irregularly, they are prone
not only to developing bad behaviors, but also to "tying-up", an
extremely painful condition caused by breakdown of muscle tissue that
overwhelms and damages the kidneys and other organ systems.

They need competent handling and training, otherwise they will quickly
develop bad habits that are invariably dangerous to their handlers,
their riders and themselves. Poorly fitted bridles and saddles, as well
as poor riding technique, can cause painful injuries to the mouth, neck,
back and legs.

Horses essentially have two brains that do NOT communicate well with
each other, meaning that anything you teach on one side of the horse
must also be taught from scratch to the other side of the horse. If a
horse is accustomed only to being approached and handled on the left, if
you attempt to approach it on the right it will not know what to do. It
may not even recognize you. When a horse does not know what to do, it
either panicks and runs away, or panicks and attacks in order to defend
itself.

You may want to consider finding a proper boarding facility for this
horse where it can be taken care of. Stables that provide lessons to
students can sometimes arrange a lower boarding fee in exchange for
using the horse for riding lessons. But only if the horse is sound and
temperamentally suited for the type of work it will be doing. Of course
you will still be required to pay for the usual farrier and vet care,
and the horse will still be prone to accidents, inuries, colic, founder,
and all the other disasters and diseases that can happen even with the
best and most experienced care.

Enjoy your new horse!!
type your name here
2003-08-30 18:19:30 UTC
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MyFriendFlicka (***@dontspam.no news:H%44b.12997$***@twister.socal.rr.com alt.horsecare.basics 30
Aug 2003
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been given a
horse to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and
general care.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
You do know that horses are large, stupid, accident prone animals prone
to panicking and running off with no thought whatsoever for the safety
of themselves or anyone around them?
They need their hooves trimmed every few weeks or the hooves will become
overgrown and make them lame. Many also need shoes, which must be
replaced every few weeks. You must clean their hooves out frequently to
prevent stones or other debris from becoming trapped and injuring the
foot, causing abcesses or fungal infections. Of course this means you
must know how to pick the horse's feet up without it leaning on you for
support or struggling to get away. And if the horse does not behave
properly for the farrier (blacksmith), the farrier won't come back and
you'll have to find another one.
They need worming every few weeks, or the worms will multiply inside
them to the point that their intestines become obstructed, causing
excruciating pain (colic) and eventual agonizing death if untreated.
Treatment may require an emergency visit from the vet, including
medications or even abdominal surgery, at significant expense.
Their food rations need to be carefully controlled, otherwise they will
literally eat themselves to death. Too much or the wrong kind of food,
or even a sudden change of diet will cause their hooves to become
inflamed (founder), causing excruciating pain that will lead to death or
serious and permanent lameness unless the symptoms are recognized and
treated within the first few hours.
Mares come into heat every few weeks and may become dangerous to
themselves and those around them as their mating drive overtakes any
manners they might have had. Stallions can only be handled safely by
people with special training and experience -- a stallion's sex drive
easily overcomes their training otherwise, and they can and will kill
anyone who gets in their way. Geldings (castrated stallions) are usually
more even tempered, but those gelded later in life, or who still produce
male hormones (testosterone) can exhibit stallion-like behavior, with
all the inherent dangers.
Horses will dominate anyone (horse or human) who in the horse's judgment
is too weak to fight back. This means being bitten, kicked, and
trampled, particularly at feeding time. This often leads to injuries and
accidents (and expensive veterinary treatment) as horses pastured
together fight for dominance. You will NEVER win a battle of strength
with a horse, even a small one. That leaves only your experience and
brains, or some means of inflicting enough pain and fear on the horse
that it does what you want.
They need their teeth checked every few months for uneven wear, which
must be filed down (with the horse restrained or sedated) so that it can
comfortably eat. If you are trying to ride a horse whose teeth are
hurting its mouth, the bit and bridle will cause it unnecessary pain.
When a horse feels pain, its first instinct is to run away as fast as it
can.
Their stalls must be cleaned out daily to remove droppings and urine,
and bedding (straw, shavings, whatever) replaced so the horse can lie
down without injuring itself. Horses that lie down in their stalls can
sometimes become stuck against a wall (cast) -- even in a large box
stall -- and because of their size and anatomy, be unable to free
themselves. You could be badly injured or killed as the horse thrashes
about.
Pastures need to be maintained properly, with droppings and toxic plants
(of which there is an endless variety) removed regularly to avoid worm
infestation or poisoning. Fencing must be safe for horses, and should
not consist of barbed wire, anything with sharp edges, loose boards or
post, or splinters, anything low enough to be jumped, anything high
enough that the horse can roll under it and get loose or become trapped,
and must be strong enough to withstand a blindly panicking 1000 pound
animal running into it at 30 to 40 miles an hour without breaking or
injuring the horse.
Being kept in a stall is no assurance of protection from injury -- as
other posters have recently pointed out, some of the worst injuries have
occurred while the horse is alone in its stall.
Horses are prone to respiratory allergies and infections (asthma,
heaves) from dust and fungal spores in hay. This requires ongoing
medication and special diets. Horses can also get skin allergies (hives)
and infections (rain rot), making them miserably itchy. Their attempts
to relive the itching can cause further injury and widespread infection.
Male horses need to have the smegma and dirt removed from their penises
a few times a year. If left unattended, the smegma can build up within
the urethral opening, causing obstruction of urin flow, leading to
inflammation, infection, and extreme discomfort to the horse. Mares also
need their udders cleaned of smegma and dirt. This is a nasty and
disgusting job, and horses dislike it even more than people. The vet
will do it for a fee, but if the horse must be sedated, a side effect of
the sedation may injure the nerves that allow the penis to extend and
retract, causing the penis to dangle permanently outside the body,
exposing it to injury.
Horses need sufficient exercise of the proper type to keep them mentally
and physically fit. If they are exercised irregularly, they are prone
not only to developing bad behaviors, but also to "tying-up", an
extremely painful condition caused by breakdown of muscle tissue that
overwhelms and damages the kidneys and other organ systems.
They need competent handling and training, otherwise they will quickly
develop bad habits that are invariably dangerous to their handlers,
their riders and themselves. Poorly fitted bridles and saddles, as well
as poor riding technique, can cause painful injuries to the mouth, neck,
back and legs.
Horses essentially have two brains that do NOT communicate well with
each other, meaning that anything you teach on one side of the horse
must also be taught from scratch to the other side of the horse. If a
horse is accustomed only to being approached and handled on the left, if
you attempt to approach it on the right it will not know what to do. It
may not even recognize you. When a horse does not know what to do, it
either panicks and runs away, or panicks and attacks in order to defend
itself.
You may want to consider finding a proper boarding facility for this
horse where it can be taken care of. Stables that provide lessons to
students can sometimes arrange a lower boarding fee in exchange for
using the horse for riding lessons. But only if the horse is sound and
temperamentally suited for the type of work it will be doing. Of course
you will still be required to pay for the usual farrier and vet care,
and the horse will still be prone to accidents, inuries, colic, founder,
and all the other disasters and diseases that can happen even with the
best and most experienced care.
There's a much easier way to take care of a horse - it's called
an Uzi.
Craig
2003-09-01 10:12:42 UTC
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Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been given a
horse to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and
general care.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
You do know that horses are large, stupid, accident prone animals
..........
...........................
.................................
and all the other disasters and diseases that can happen even with the
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
best and most experienced care.
Well thanks for the information, a lot of it I'd read in web pages as well
(as well as the many positives of horse ownership too). I'm making the
effort to find out as much information as fast as possible to avoid some of
the pitfalls you mentioned.
I'm sure you started somewhere too and made mistakes?

The horse in question has been living in a paddock for 3 years on nothing
but green grass.
"Special care" involves filling up his water trough and pulling off the
ticks when there's too many. He has no shoes and although his hooves are
cracked and ragged they've only been trimmed by trotting up and down a
gravel road through the paddock. He has never had a stable or shelter from
the rain or even a blanket. His owner has given up on him and moved
interstate. He has always lived alone and pines for human company and
follows my kids everywhere. We don't have a saddle but he hasn't minded
having 3 kids on his back at the one time. His old home is gone so my place
is probably the only thing between him and death-row. I had him checked and
the vet says he is about 9 years old and in good condition.
I've recently read lots on how to feed a horse but I'm concerned that a
change of diet to "what's good for him" might make him sick. I can provide
him with endless fresh green grass but is it a bad thing in the long term or
should I be supplementing it?
type yourname here
2003-09-01 18:08:54 UTC
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"Craig" <***@bigpond.com> news:uYE4b.76550$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au alt.horsecare.basics
01 Sep 2003
Post by Craig
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been given
a horse to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding
and general care.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
You do know that horses are large, stupid, accident prone animals
..........
...........................
.................................
and all the other disasters and diseases that can happen even with the
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
best and most experienced care.
Well thanks for the information, a lot of it I'd read in web pages as
well (as well as the many positives of horse ownership too). I'm making
the effort to find out as much information as fast as possible to avoid
some of the pitfalls you mentioned.
I'm sure you started somewhere too and made mistakes?
You made your first mistake alraedy by coming here for advice.
Post by Craig
The horse in question has been living in a paddock for 3 years on
nothing but green grass.
"Special care" involves filling up his water trough and pulling off the
ticks when there's too many. He has no shoes and although his hooves are
cracked and ragged they've only been trimmed by trotting up and down a
gravel road through the paddock. He has never had a stable or shelter
from the rain or even a blanket. His owner has given up on him and
moved interstate. He has always lived alone and pines for human company
and follows my kids everywhere. We don't have a saddle but he hasn't
minded having 3 kids on his back at the one time. His old home is gone
so my place is probably the only thing between him and death-row. I had
him checked and the vet says he is about 9 years old and in good
condition. I've recently read lots on how to feed a horse but I'm
concerned that a change of diet to "what's good for him" might make him
sick. I can provide him with endless fresh green grass but is it a bad
thing in the long term or should I be supplementing it?
This animal has survived on its own in the outdoors for three years,
and now that you're *looking after* it, it's in imminent danger of
getting sick???
Please stop treating it as a toy for your kids to play with and leave
the poor animal alone. It'd be much better off without you!
YSB
2003-09-01 20:19:41 UTC
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Hi Craig,

You're doing a very kind thing for this horse by trying to learn as much as
you can about horse care!

A lot of the old timers say that if it's not contained in good-quality
grass, then a horse doesn't need it. Really, that's true to a large extent
if the animal is not used for work/riding/show/breeding. If you would like
to give him something extra, to put some weight on him, you might want to
start with a little concentrated feed, like sweet-feed. Ask a vet for
advice on how much to start with. If this guy is just going to be relaxing
in your pasture, then you should probably (as a minimum) just make sure he
gets de-wormed four times a year, gets his shots, and has regular blacksmith
attention every six weeks or so. If he's on pasture, you won't need to shoe
him, but his feet will need to be trimmed. Of course, lots of love and
attention will keep him quite happy! You might want to have a vet come out
and just look him over, just to make sure there's nothing brewing. A
check-up visit shouldn't cost much, and might just prevent problems down the
road. And just an all-around trim by the blacksmith is the cheapest way to
go. Once again, just have him take a look at the feet. Ask several people
for the name of a blacksmith they use, and see what the consensus is. A
good way to do this is just to take your time at the tack store or feed mill
counter, and chat with people as you're paying. You'll find out lots this
way.

The only other suggestions I'd make would be to make sure your fences are in
good order, make sure you have water available for him at all times, give
him a daily grooming (which I'm sure he'll love), pick out his feet daily,
and keep a halter on him to make it easier to catch him in an emergency.
When the weather gets bad, you will probably want at least a 3-walled run-in
shed for him to keep out of the rain or snow, if you have that in the
winter.

Best of luck, and keep us posted on how it goes! Does the horse have a
name, yet, by the way?

Yana

--
Lucat bene si ergo
Fortibus es inaero
O nobil demis trux
Sum es causen summit dux
-- Anon
Post by Craig
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been given a
horse to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and
general care.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
You do know that horses are large, stupid, accident prone animals
..........
...........................
.................................
and all the other disasters and diseases that can happen even with the
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
best and most experienced care.
Well thanks for the information, a lot of it I'd read in web pages as well
(as well as the many positives of horse ownership too). I'm making the
effort to find out as much information as fast as possible to avoid some of
the pitfalls you mentioned.
I'm sure you started somewhere too and made mistakes?
The horse in question has been living in a paddock for 3 years on nothing
but green grass.
"Special care" involves filling up his water trough and pulling off the
ticks when there's too many. He has no shoes and although his hooves are
cracked and ragged they've only been trimmed by trotting up and down a
gravel road through the paddock. He has never had a stable or shelter from
the rain or even a blanket. His owner has given up on him and moved
interstate. He has always lived alone and pines for human company and
follows my kids everywhere. We don't have a saddle but he hasn't minded
having 3 kids on his back at the one time. His old home is gone so my place
is probably the only thing between him and death-row. I had him checked and
the vet says he is about 9 years old and in good condition.
I've recently read lots on how to feed a horse but I'm concerned that a
change of diet to "what's good for him" might make him sick. I can provide
him with endless fresh green grass but is it a bad thing in the long term or
should I be supplementing it?
type yourname here
2003-09-01 21:36:25 UTC
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"YSB" <***@yahoo.com> news:8JN4b.38459$***@fed1read07
alt.horseback.riding 01 Sep 2003
Post by YSB
Hi Craig,
<snip 33 lines of drivel>
Post by YSB
Does the horse have a name, yet, by the way?
Maybe he'll name it after the horse's ass in this group, Yana?
Macnutt
2003-09-04 19:13:37 UTC
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but he hasn't mindedhaving 3 kids on his back at the one time.

Buy those kids each a good helmet! Best investment you can make!

Remember that if you start feeding up this horse with grain or other
supplements, sweet ole dobbin may turn into something that has a MUCH
bigger motor. Grass is the most natural food, and if he's got good
body condition, just go with it. Most folks would love to have enough
grass to keep their horses fit with no other feed to buy.
Tuby Rider
2003-09-05 13:01:59 UTC
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Sep 2003
Post by Macnutt
but he hasn't mindedhaving 3 kids on his back at the one time.
Buy those kids each a good helmet! Best investment you can make!
Yes, and don't forget the extra sharp spurs and the whips!
Wilhelm Fordhauptersatzteilgeshaeft
2003-12-11 04:49:04 UTC
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Post by type your name here
Aug 2003
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been given a
horse to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and
general care.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
You do know that horses are large, stupid, accident prone animals prone
to panicking and running off with no thought whatsoever for the safety
of themselves or anyone around them?
Hmmm, that doesn't describe my late, lamented old mare at all!
How'd you get such an abysmal attitude?

see below....
Post by type your name here
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
They need their hooves trimmed every few weeks or the hooves will become
overgrown and make them lame. Many also need shoes, which must be
replaced every few weeks. You must clean their hooves out frequently to
prevent stones or other debris from becoming trapped and injuring the
foot, causing abcesses or fungal infections. Of course this means you
must know how to pick the horse's feet up without it leaning on you for
support or struggling to get away. And if the horse does not behave
properly for the farrier (blacksmith), the farrier won't come back and
you'll have to find another one.
They need worming every few weeks, or the worms will multiply inside
them to the point that their intestines become obstructed, causing
excruciating pain (colic) and eventual agonizing death if untreated.
Treatment may require an emergency visit from the vet, including
medications or even abdominal surgery, at significant expense.
Their food rations need to be carefully controlled, otherwise they will
literally eat themselves to death. Too much or the wrong kind of food,
or even a sudden change of diet will cause their hooves to become
inflamed (founder), causing excruciating pain that will lead to death or
serious and permanent lameness unless the symptoms are recognized and
treated within the first few hours.
Mares come into heat every few weeks and may become dangerous to
themselves and those around them as their mating drive overtakes any
manners they might have had. Stallions can only be handled safely by
people with special training and experience -- a stallion's sex drive
easily overcomes their training otherwise, and they can and will kill
anyone who gets in their way. Geldings (castrated stallions) are usually
more even tempered, but those gelded later in life, or who still produce
male hormones (testosterone) can exhibit stallion-like behavior, with
all the inherent dangers.
Horses will dominate anyone (horse or human) who in the horse's judgment
is too weak to fight back. This means being bitten, kicked, and
trampled, particularly at feeding time. This often leads to injuries and
accidents (and expensive veterinary treatment) as horses pastured
together fight for dominance. You will NEVER win a battle of strength
with a horse, even a small one. That leaves only your experience and
brains, or some means of inflicting enough pain and fear on the horse
that it does what you want.
They need their teeth checked every few months for uneven wear, which
must be filed down (with the horse restrained or sedated) so that it can
comfortably eat. If you are trying to ride a horse whose teeth are
hurting its mouth, the bit and bridle will cause it unnecessary pain.
When a horse feels pain, its first instinct is to run away as fast as it
can.
Their stalls must be cleaned out daily to remove droppings and urine,
and bedding (straw, shavings, whatever) replaced so the horse can lie
down without injuring itself. Horses that lie down in their stalls can
sometimes become stuck against a wall (cast) -- even in a large box
stall -- and because of their size and anatomy, be unable to free
themselves. You could be badly injured or killed as the horse thrashes
about.
Pastures need to be maintained properly, with droppings and toxic plants
(of which there is an endless variety) removed regularly to avoid worm
infestation or poisoning. Fencing must be safe for horses, and should
not consist of barbed wire, anything with sharp edges, loose boards or
post, or splinters, anything low enough to be jumped, anything high
enough that the horse can roll under it and get loose or become trapped,
and must be strong enough to withstand a blindly panicking 1000 pound
animal running into it at 30 to 40 miles an hour without breaking or
injuring the horse.
Being kept in a stall is no assurance of protection from injury -- as
other posters have recently pointed out, some of the worst injuries have
occurred while the horse is alone in its stall.
Horses are prone to respiratory allergies and infections (asthma,
heaves) from dust and fungal spores in hay. This requires ongoing
medication and special diets. Horses can also get skin allergies (hives)
and infections (rain rot), making them miserably itchy. Their attempts
to relive the itching can cause further injury and widespread infection.
Male horses need to have the smegma and dirt removed from their penises
a few times a year. If left unattended, the smegma can build up within
the urethral opening, causing obstruction of urin flow, leading to
inflammation, infection, and extreme discomfort to the horse. Mares also
need their udders cleaned of smegma and dirt. This is a nasty and
disgusting job, and horses dislike it even more than people. The vet
will do it for a fee, but if the horse must be sedated, a side effect of
the sedation may injure the nerves that allow the penis to extend and
retract, causing the penis to dangle permanently outside the body,
exposing it to injury.
Horses need sufficient exercise of the proper type to keep them mentally
and physically fit. If they are exercised irregularly, they are prone
not only to developing bad behaviors, but also to "tying-up", an
extremely painful condition caused by breakdown of muscle tissue that
overwhelms and damages the kidneys and other organ systems.
They need competent handling and training, otherwise they will quickly
develop bad habits that are invariably dangerous to their handlers,
their riders and themselves. Poorly fitted bridles and saddles, as well
as poor riding technique, can cause painful injuries to the mouth, neck,
back and legs.
Horses essentially have two brains that do NOT communicate well with
each other, meaning that anything you teach on one side of the horse
must also be taught from scratch to the other side of the horse. If a
horse is accustomed only to being approached and handled on the left, if
you attempt to approach it on the right it will not know what to do. It
may not even recognize you. When a horse does not know what to do, it
either panicks and runs away, or panicks and attacks in order to defend
itself.
You may want to consider finding a proper boarding facility for this
horse where it can be taken care of. Stables that provide lessons to
students can sometimes arrange a lower boarding fee in exchange for
using the horse for riding lessons. But only if the horse is sound and
temperamentally suited for the type of work it will be doing. Of course
you will still be required to pay for the usual farrier and vet care,
and the horse will still be prone to accidents, inuries, colic, founder,
and all the other disasters and diseases that can happen even with the
best and most experienced care.
There's a much easier way to take care of a horse - it's called
an Uzi.
Boy, that's a pretty bleak picture you paint.

With a horse, you only get back what you give, they're not like a dog, but
more like a cat in this regard.
That said, I treated her as a sentient critter, and she responded well to it.
In all situations-- whether city streets or on top of a rocky 12,000' mountain,
she behaved well and didn't cause trouble (in fact she got ME out of a few
hard spots!). Obeyed me better than 90% of dogs around.

I suspect your poor view of the horse is reflected back at you by the animals
you associate with. If I had treated her as a dumb lump of protoplasm, I would
have missed out on one hell of a lot of good times as her traveling companion!

JT
tatianna
2003-12-13 15:14:12 UTC
Permalink
Anyone can make anything sound difficult...
If you listed all the expenses and things that can go wrong with a
car...no one who saw the list would dare drive!
I have 2 great horses, and they are actually far less work than I was
told they were. Sure, you have to care for them, and research any troubles
as soon as you see them, but that's just common sense.
Enjoy your horses, if that's what you like.
If you don't think they are worth the effort, sell them off to someone who
does.
Now I'm going out for a ride in the fresh snow!
P.
Will
2004-03-01 22:03:42 UTC
Permalink
Thanks for the positive feedback.
It has been several months since I posted my letter and our horse is very
healthy and doing great.
We put a lot of effort into caring for him but as you say the rewards
outweigh all of that.
I'm glad we kept an open mind.

After all if owning a horse is all doom and gloom one has to ask why all the
contributors to this newsgroup own one anyway.
Post by tatianna
Anyone can make anything sound difficult...
If you listed all the expenses and things that can go wrong with a
car...no one who saw the list would dare drive!
I have 2 great horses, and they are actually far less work than I was
told they were. Sure, you have to care for them, and research any troubles
as soon as you see them, but that's just common sense.
Enjoy your horses, if that's what you like.
If you don't think they are worth the effort, sell them off to someone who
does.
Now I'm going out for a ride in the fresh snow!
P.
Ray
2004-03-02 14:21:14 UTC
Permalink
Hello,

If there is anyone who might want to do some country riding while on business or fun trip to China (Southern China close to Shenzhen), please contact me personally. I'm a member of Hong Kong Rider's Club and I'd like to meet people who has the same interests.

My email address is ***@pgg.biz, please contact me directly.

Thanks,

Ray Chan
R&SB
2003-09-01 21:28:00 UTC
Permalink
This is all so good, it needs to be printed out, handed out to new
horse owners, stored in archives and hung on stable walls!!!

Sue, in deep appreciation
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been given a horse
to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and general
care.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
You do know that horses are large, stupid, accident prone animals prone
to panicking and running off with no thought whatsoever for the safety
of themselves or anyone around them?
They need their hooves trimmed every few weeks or the hooves will become
overgrown and make them lame. Many also need shoes, which must be
replaced every few weeks. You must clean their hooves out frequently to
prevent stones or other debris from becoming trapped and injuring the
foot, causing abcesses or fungal infections. Of course this means you
must know how to pick the horse's feet up without it leaning on you for
support or struggling to get away. And if the horse does not behave
properly for the farrier (blacksmith), the farrier won't come back and
you'll have to find another one.
They need worming every few weeks, or the worms will multiply inside
them to the point that their intestines become obstructed, causing
excruciating pain (colic) and eventual agonizing death if untreated.
Treatment may require an emergency visit from the vet, including
medications or even abdominal surgery, at significant expense.
Their food rations need to be carefully controlled, otherwise they will
literally eat themselves to death. Too much or the wrong kind of food,
or even a sudden change of diet will cause their hooves to become
inflamed (founder), causing excruciating pain that will lead to death or
serious and permanent lameness unless the symptoms are recognized and
treated within the first few hours.
Mares come into heat every few weeks and may become dangerous to
themselves and those around them as their mating drive overtakes any
manners they might have had. Stallions can only be handled safely by
people with special training and experience -- a stallion's sex drive
easily overcomes their training otherwise, and they can and will kill
anyone who gets in their way. Geldings (castrated stallions) are usually
more even tempered, but those gelded later in life, or who still produce
male hormones (testosterone) can exhibit stallion-like behavior, with
all the inherent dangers.
Horses will dominate anyone (horse or human) who in the horse's judgment
is too weak to fight back. This means being bitten, kicked, and
trampled, particularly at feeding time. This often leads to injuries and
accidents (and expensive veterinary treatment) as horses pastured
together fight for dominance. You will NEVER win a battle of strength
with a horse, even a small one. That leaves only your experience and
brains, or some means of inflicting enough pain and fear on the horse
that it does what you want.
They need their teeth checked every few months for uneven wear, which
must be filed down (with the horse restrained or sedated) so that it can
comfortably eat. If you are trying to ride a horse whose teeth are
hurting its mouth, the bit and bridle will cause it unnecessary pain.
When a horse feels pain, its first instinct is to run away as fast as it
can.
Their stalls must be cleaned out daily to remove droppings and urine,
and bedding (straw, shavings, whatever) replaced so the horse can lie
down without injuring itself. Horses that lie down in their stalls can
sometimes become stuck against a wall (cast) -- even in a large box
stall -- and because of their size and anatomy, be unable to free
themselves. You could be badly injured or killed as the horse thrashes
about.
Pastures need to be maintained properly, with droppings and toxic plants
(of which there is an endless variety) removed regularly to avoid worm
infestation or poisoning. Fencing must be safe for horses, and should
not consist of barbed wire, anything with sharp edges, loose boards or
post, or splinters, anything low enough to be jumped, anything high
enough that the horse can roll under it and get loose or become trapped,
and must be strong enough to withstand a blindly panicking 1000 pound
animal running into it at 30 to 40 miles an hour without breaking or
injuring the horse.
Being kept in a stall is no assurance of protection from injury -- as
other posters have recently pointed out, some of the worst injuries have
occurred while the horse is alone in its stall.
Horses are prone to respiratory allergies and infections (asthma,
heaves) from dust and fungal spores in hay. This requires ongoing
medication and special diets. Horses can also get skin allergies (hives)
and infections (rain rot), making them miserably itchy. Their attempts
to relive the itching can cause further injury and widespread infection.
Male horses need to have the smegma and dirt removed from their penises
a few times a year. If left unattended, the smegma can build up within
the urethral opening, causing obstruction of urin flow, leading to
inflammation, infection, and extreme discomfort to the horse. Mares also
need their udders cleaned of smegma and dirt. This is a nasty and
disgusting job, and horses dislike it even more than people. The vet
will do it for a fee, but if the horse must be sedated, a side effect of
the sedation may injure the nerves that allow the penis to extend and
retract, causing the penis to dangle permanently outside the body,
exposing it to injury.
Horses need sufficient exercise of the proper type to keep them mentally
and physically fit. If they are exercised irregularly, they are prone
not only to developing bad behaviors, but also to "tying-up", an
extremely painful condition caused by breakdown of muscle tissue that
overwhelms and damages the kidneys and other organ systems.
They need competent handling and training, otherwise they will quickly
develop bad habits that are invariably dangerous to their handlers,
their riders and themselves. Poorly fitted bridles and saddles, as well
as poor riding technique, can cause painful injuries to the mouth, neck,
back and legs.
Horses essentially have two brains that do NOT communicate well with
each other, meaning that anything you teach on one side of the horse
must also be taught from scratch to the other side of the horse. If a
horse is accustomed only to being approached and handled on the left, if
you attempt to approach it on the right it will not know what to do. It
may not even recognize you. When a horse does not know what to do, it
either panicks and runs away, or panicks and attacks in order to defend
itself.
You may want to consider finding a proper boarding facility for this
horse where it can be taken care of. Stables that provide lessons to
students can sometimes arrange a lower boarding fee in exchange for
using the horse for riding lessons. But only if the horse is sound and
temperamentally suited for the type of work it will be doing. Of course
you will still be required to pay for the usual farrier and vet care,
and the horse will still be prone to accidents, inuries, colic, founder,
and all the other disasters and diseases that can happen even with the
best and most experienced care.
Enjoy your new horse!!
type your name here
2003-09-01 21:39:00 UTC
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"R&SB" <***@ix.netcom.com> news:ARO4b.18653$***@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net
alt.horsecare.basics 01 Sep 2003
Post by R&SB
This is all so good, it needs to be printed out, handed out to new
horse owners, stored in archives and hung on stable walls!!!
And used as TP.
Cricket
2003-09-02 02:22:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by R&SB
This is all so good, it needs to be printed out, handed out to new
horse owners, stored in archives and hung on stable walls!!!
Sue, in deep appreciation
<snipped a bunch of good stuff>

Gave two days of impromptu shoeing demonstration at a rodeo this weekend
(totally "shoeing 101" or even less, amusement for the city kids...). I
think I *gave* this lecture a time or two - boy, am I the bad guy - didn't I
ever read "Black Beauty" ????

Fun to watch the cowboys snicker when the little kid asks "Why'd you call
him "you old fool?" (was using my daughter's old Arab as demo horse) and I
had to explain that that was the only thing I could think of to call him in
polite company. Kid was sure it hurt his feelings. I was sure he took it
as a complement. ;>)
type your name here
2003-09-02 12:11:32 UTC
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"Cricket" <***@quixnet.net> news:bj0vjt$ues$***@sun-news.laserlink.net
alt.horseback.riding 02 Sep 2003
Post by Cricket
Post by R&SB
This is all so good, it needs to be printed out, handed out to new
horse owners, stored in archives and hung on stable walls!!!
Sue, in deep appreciation
<snipped a bunch of good stuff>
Gave two days of impromptu shoeing demonstration at a rodeo this weekend
(totally "shoeing 101" or even less, amusement for the city kids...). I
think I *gave* this lecture a time or two - boy, am I the bad guy -
didn't I ever read "Black Beauty" ????
Fun to watch the cowboys snicker when the little kid asks "Why'd you
call him "you old fool?" (was using my daughter's old Arab as demo
horse) and I had to explain that that was the only thing I could think
of to call him in polite company. Kid was sure it hurt his feelings. I
was sure he took it as a complement. ;>)
Cricket, you should stick to porking cows, you blathering idiot.
Whisperer
2006-03-31 12:16:25 UTC
Permalink
You know : there are only bad riders and not bad horses
a horse is a horse, lives like a horse, thinks like a horse, and you
have only Human sense
Post by R&SB
This is all so good, it needs to be printed out, handed out to new
horse owners, stored in archives and hung on stable walls!!!
Sue, in deep appreciation
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been
given a
Post by R&SB
horse
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and general
care.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
You do know that horses are large, stupid, accident prone animals prone
to panicking and running off with no thought whatsoever for the safety
of themselves or anyone around them?
They need their hooves trimmed every few weeks or the hooves will become
overgrown and make them lame. Many also need shoes, which must be
replaced every few weeks. You must clean their hooves out frequently to
prevent stones or other debris from becoming trapped and injuring the
foot, causing abcesses or fungal infections. Of course this means you
must know how to pick the horse's feet up without it leaning on you for
support or struggling to get away. And if the horse does not behave
properly for the farrier (blacksmith), the farrier won't come back and
you'll have to find another one.
They need worming every few weeks, or the worms will multiply inside
them to the point that their intestines become obstructed, causing
excruciating pain (colic) and eventual agonizing death if untreated.
Treatment may require an emergency visit from the vet, including
medications or even abdominal surgery, at significant expense.
Their food rations need to be carefully controlled, otherwise they will
literally eat themselves to death. Too much or the wrong kind of food,
or even a sudden change of diet will cause their hooves to become
inflamed (founder), causing excruciating pain that will lead to death or
serious and permanent lameness unless the symptoms are recognized and
treated within the first few hours.
Mares come into heat every few weeks and may become dangerous to
themselves and those around them as their mating drive overtakes any
manners they might have had. Stallions can only be handled safely by
people with special training and experience -- a stallion's sex drive
easily overcomes their training otherwise, and they can and will kill
anyone who gets in their way. Geldings (castrated stallions) are usually
more even tempered, but those gelded later in life, or who still produce
male hormones (testosterone) can exhibit stallion-like behavior, with
all the inherent dangers.
Horses will dominate anyone (horse or human) who in the horse's judgment
is too weak to fight back. This means being bitten, kicked, and
trampled, particularly at feeding time. This often leads to injuries and
accidents (and expensive veterinary treatment) as horses pastured
together fight for dominance. You will NEVER win a battle of
strength
Post by R&SB
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
with a horse, even a small one. That leaves only your experience and
brains, or some means of inflicting enough pain and fear on the horse
that it does what you want.
They need their teeth checked every few months for uneven wear, which
must be filed down (with the horse restrained or sedated) so that it can
comfortably eat. If you are trying to ride a horse whose teeth are
hurting its mouth, the bit and bridle will cause it unnecessary pain.
When a horse feels pain, its first instinct is to run away as fast as it
can.
Their stalls must be cleaned out daily to remove droppings and urine,
and bedding (straw, shavings, whatever) replaced so the horse can lie
down without injuring itself. Horses that lie down in their stalls can
sometimes become stuck against a wall (cast) -- even in a large box
stall -- and because of their size and anatomy, be unable to free
themselves. You could be badly injured or killed as the horse
thrashes
Post by R&SB
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
about.
Pastures need to be maintained properly, with droppings and toxic plants
(of which there is an endless variety) removed regularly to avoid worm
infestation or poisoning. Fencing must be safe for horses, and should
not consist of barbed wire, anything with sharp edges, loose boards or
post, or splinters, anything low enough to be jumped, anything high
enough that the horse can roll under it and get loose or become trapped,
and must be strong enough to withstand a blindly panicking 1000 pound
animal running into it at 30 to 40 miles an hour without breaking or
injuring the horse.
Being kept in a stall is no assurance of protection from injury -- as
other posters have recently pointed out, some of the worst injuries have
occurred while the horse is alone in its stall.
Horses are prone to respiratory allergies and infections (asthma,
heaves) from dust and fungal spores in hay. This requires ongoing
medication and special diets. Horses can also get skin allergies (hives)
and infections (rain rot), making them miserably itchy. Their
attempts
Post by R&SB
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
to relive the itching can cause further injury and widespread
infection.
Post by R&SB
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Male horses need to have the smegma and dirt removed from their penises
a few times a year. If left unattended, the smegma can build up within
the urethral opening, causing obstruction of urin flow, leading to
inflammation, infection, and extreme discomfort to the horse. Mares also
need their udders cleaned of smegma and dirt. This is a nasty and
disgusting job, and horses dislike it even more than people. The vet
will do it for a fee, but if the horse must be sedated, a side effect of
the sedation may injure the nerves that allow the penis to extend and
retract, causing the penis to dangle permanently outside the body,
exposing it to injury.
Horses need sufficient exercise of the proper type to keep them mentally
and physically fit. If they are exercised irregularly, they are prone
not only to developing bad behaviors, but also to "tying-up", an
extremely painful condition caused by breakdown of muscle tissue that
overwhelms and damages the kidneys and other organ systems.
They need competent handling and training, otherwise they will quickly
develop bad habits that are invariably dangerous to their handlers,
their riders and themselves. Poorly fitted bridles and saddles, as well
as poor riding technique, can cause painful injuries to the mouth, neck,
back and legs.
Horses essentially have two brains that do NOT communicate well with
each other, meaning that anything you teach on one side of the horse
must also be taught from scratch to the other side of the horse. If a
horse is accustomed only to being approached and handled on the left, if
you attempt to approach it on the right it will not know what to do. It
may not even recognize you. When a horse does not know what to do, it
either panicks and runs away, or panicks and attacks in order to defend
itself.
You may want to consider finding a proper boarding facility for this
horse where it can be taken care of. Stables that provide lessons to
students can sometimes arrange a lower boarding fee in exchange for
using the horse for riding lessons. But only if the horse is sound and
temperamentally suited for the type of work it will be doing. Of course
you will still be required to pay for the usual farrier and vet care,
and the horse will still be prone to accidents, inuries, colic, founder,
and all the other disasters and diseases that can happen even with the
best and most experienced care.
Enjoy your new horse!!
John J Ernst
2006-03-31 16:02:59 UTC
Permalink
There is nothing like a real negative response to someone that wants to take
care of one of Gods great creatures. I have been riding and caring for
horses 40+ years. Granted, I have been kicked, bit and thrown. But most of
the time it was because I wasn't paying attention or doing something stupid.
A good horse will do just about anything you ask of it. It will be your
friend as long as you return the affection. It will even run it's heart out
for you. All the negative remarks this person has made is load of Bull Shit
made by someone that is not a true horse lover. There very few things as
rewarding as caring for a horse. Ask my 13 y/o daughter.

By the way, if you have any questions, all you need to do is ask. I'm sure
that there are plenty here that will give you a honest, positive answer.




Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
Post by Whisperer
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
You do know that horses are large, stupid, accident prone animals prone
to panicking and running off with no thought whatsoever for the safety
of themselves or anyone around them?
They need their hooves trimmed every few weeks or the hooves will become
overgrown and make them lame. Many also need shoes, which must be
replaced every few weeks. You must clean their hooves out frequently to
prevent stones or other debris from becoming trapped and injuring the
foot, causing abcesses or fungal infections. Of course this means you
must know how to pick the horse's feet up without it leaning on you for
support or struggling to get away. And if the horse does not behave
properly for the farrier (blacksmith), the farrier won't come back and
you'll have to find another one.
They need worming every few weeks, or the worms will multiply inside
them to the point that their intestines become obstructed, causing
excruciating pain (colic) and eventual agonizing death if untreated.
Treatment may require an emergency visit from the vet, including
medications or even abdominal surgery, at significant expense.
Their food rations need to be carefully controlled, otherwise they will
literally eat themselves to death. Too much or the wrong kind of food,
or even a sudden change of diet will cause their hooves to become
inflamed (founder), causing excruciating pain that will lead to death or
serious and permanent lameness unless the symptoms are recognized and
treated within the first few hours.
Mares come into heat every few weeks and may become dangerous to
themselves and those around them as their mating drive overtakes any
manners they might have had. Stallions can only be handled safely by
people with special training and experience -- a stallion's sex drive
easily overcomes their training otherwise, and they can and will kill
anyone who gets in their way. Geldings (castrated stallions) are usually
more even tempered, but those gelded later in life, or who still produce
male hormones (testosterone) can exhibit stallion-like behavior, with
all the inherent dangers.
Horses will dominate anyone (horse or human) who in the horse's judgment
is too weak to fight back. This means being bitten, kicked, and
trampled, particularly at feeding time. This often leads to injuries and
accidents (and expensive veterinary treatment) as horses pastured
together fight for dominance. You will NEVER win a battle of
strength
Post by Whisperer
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
with a horse, even a small one. That leaves only your experience and
brains, or some means of inflicting enough pain and fear on the horse
that it does what you want.
They need their teeth checked every few months for uneven wear, which
must be filed down (with the horse restrained or sedated) so that it can
comfortably eat. If you are trying to ride a horse whose teeth are
hurting its mouth, the bit and bridle will cause it unnecessary pain.
When a horse feels pain, its first instinct is to run away as fast as it
can.
Their stalls must be cleaned out daily to remove droppings and urine,
and bedding (straw, shavings, whatever) replaced so the horse can lie
down without injuring itself. Horses that lie down in their stalls can
sometimes become stuck against a wall (cast) -- even in a large box
stall -- and because of their size and anatomy, be unable to free
themselves. You could be badly injured or killed as the horse
thrashes
Post by Whisperer
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
about.
Pastures need to be maintained properly, with droppings and toxic plants
(of which there is an endless variety) removed regularly to avoid worm
infestation or poisoning. Fencing must be safe for horses, and should
not consist of barbed wire, anything with sharp edges, loose boards or
post, or splinters, anything low enough to be jumped, anything high
enough that the horse can roll under it and get loose or become trapped,
and must be strong enough to withstand a blindly panicking 1000 pound
animal running into it at 30 to 40 miles an hour without breaking or
injuring the horse.
Being kept in a stall is no assurance of protection from injury -- as
other posters have recently pointed out, some of the worst injuries have
occurred while the horse is alone in its stall.
Horses are prone to respiratory allergies and infections (asthma,
heaves) from dust and fungal spores in hay. This requires ongoing
medication and special diets. Horses can also get skin allergies (hives)
and infections (rain rot), making them miserably itchy. Their
attempts
Post by Whisperer
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
to relive the itching can cause further injury and widespread
infection.
Post by Whisperer
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Male horses need to have the smegma and dirt removed from their penises
a few times a year. If left unattended, the smegma can build up within
the urethral opening, causing obstruction of urin flow, leading to
inflammation, infection, and extreme discomfort to the horse. Mares also
need their udders cleaned of smegma and dirt. This is a nasty and
disgusting job, and horses dislike it even more than people. The vet
will do it for a fee, but if the horse must be sedated, a side effect of
the sedation may injure the nerves that allow the penis to extend and
retract, causing the penis to dangle permanently outside the body,
exposing it to injury.
Horses need sufficient exercise of the proper type to keep them mentally
and physically fit. If they are exercised irregularly, they are prone
not only to developing bad behaviors, but also to "tying-up", an
extremely painful condition caused by breakdown of muscle tissue that
overwhelms and damages the kidneys and other organ systems.
They need competent handling and training, otherwise they will quickly
develop bad habits that are invariably dangerous to their handlers,
their riders and themselves. Poorly fitted bridles and saddles, as well
as poor riding technique, can cause painful injuries to the mouth, neck,
back and legs.
Horses essentially have two brains that do NOT communicate well with
each other, meaning that anything you teach on one side of the horse
must also be taught from scratch to the other side of the horse. If a
horse is accustomed only to being approached and handled on the left, if
you attempt to approach it on the right it will not know what to do. It
may not even recognize you. When a horse does not know what to do, it
either panicks and runs away, or panicks and attacks in order to defend
itself.
You may want to consider finding a proper boarding facility for this
horse where it can be taken care of. Stables that provide lessons to
students can sometimes arrange a lower boarding fee in exchange for
using the horse for riding lessons. But only if the horse is sound and
temperamentally suited for the type of work it will be doing. Of course
you will still be required to pay for the usual farrier and vet care,
and the horse will still be prone to accidents, inuries, colic, founder,
and all the other disasters and diseases that can happen even with the
best and most experienced care.
Enjoy your new horse!!
.
Post by Whisperer
You know : there are only bad riders and not bad horses
a horse is a horse, lives like a horse, thinks like a horse, and you
have only Human sense
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
This is all so good, it needs to be printed out, handed out to new
horse owners, stored in archives and hung on stable walls!!!
Sue, in deep appreciation
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been
given a
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
horse
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and
general
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by Craig
care.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
You do know that horses are large, stupid, accident prone animals
prone
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Post by MyFriendFlicka (
to panicking and running off with no thought whatsoever for the
safety
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
of themselves or anyone around them?
They need their hooves trimmed every few weeks or the hooves will
become
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
overgrown and make them lame. Many also need shoes, which must be
replaced every few weeks. You must clean their hooves out frequently
to
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
prevent stones or other debris from becoming trapped and injuring
the
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
foot, causing abcesses or fungal infections. Of course this means
you
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
must know how to pick the horse's feet up without it leaning on you
for
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
support or struggling to get away. And if the horse does not behave
properly for the farrier (blacksmith), the farrier won't come back
and
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
you'll have to find another one.
They need worming every few weeks, or the worms will multiply inside
them to the point that their intestines become obstructed, causing
excruciating pain (colic) and eventual agonizing death if untreated.
Treatment may require an emergency visit from the vet, including
medications or even abdominal surgery, at significant expense.
Their food rations need to be carefully controlled, otherwise they
will
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
literally eat themselves to death. Too much or the wrong kind of
food,
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
or even a sudden change of diet will cause their hooves to become
inflamed (founder), causing excruciating pain that will lead to death
or
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
serious and permanent lameness unless the symptoms are recognized
and
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
treated within the first few hours.
Mares come into heat every few weeks and may become dangerous to
themselves and those around them as their mating drive overtakes any
manners they might have had. Stallions can only be handled safely by
people with special training and experience -- a stallion's sex
drive
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
easily overcomes their training otherwise, and they can and will
kill
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
anyone who gets in their way. Geldings (castrated stallions) are
usually
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
more even tempered, but those gelded later in life, or who still
produce
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
male hormones (testosterone) can exhibit stallion-like behavior,
with
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
all the inherent dangers.
Horses will dominate anyone (horse or human) who in the horse's
judgment
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
is too weak to fight back. This means being bitten, kicked, and
trampled, particularly at feeding time. This often leads to injuries
and
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
accidents (and expensive veterinary treatment) as horses pastured
together fight for dominance. You will NEVER win a battle of
strength
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
with a horse, even a small one. That leaves only your experience and
brains, or some means of inflicting enough pain and fear on the
horse
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
that it does what you want.
They need their teeth checked every few months for uneven wear,
which
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
must be filed down (with the horse restrained or sedated) so that it
can
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
comfortably eat. If you are trying to ride a horse whose teeth are
hurting its mouth, the bit and bridle will cause it unnecessary
pain.
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
When a horse feels pain, its first instinct is to run away as fast as
it
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
can.
Their stalls must be cleaned out daily to remove droppings and
urine,
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
and bedding (straw, shavings, whatever) replaced so the horse can
lie
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
down without injuring itself. Horses that lie down in their stalls
can
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
sometimes become stuck against a wall (cast) -- even in a large box
stall -- and because of their size and anatomy, be unable to free
themselves. You could be badly injured or killed as the horse
thrashes
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
about.
Pastures need to be maintained properly, with droppings and toxic
plants
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
(of which there is an endless variety) removed regularly to avoid
worm
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
infestation or poisoning. Fencing must be safe for horses, and
should
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
not consist of barbed wire, anything with sharp edges, loose boards
or
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
post, or splinters, anything low enough to be jumped, anything high
enough that the horse can roll under it and get loose or become
trapped,
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
and must be strong enough to withstand a blindly panicking 1000
pound
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
animal running into it at 30 to 40 miles an hour without breaking or
injuring the horse.
Being kept in a stall is no assurance of protection from injury --
as
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
other posters have recently pointed out, some of the worst injuries
have
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
occurred while the horse is alone in its stall.
Horses are prone to respiratory allergies and infections (asthma,
heaves) from dust and fungal spores in hay. This requires ongoing
medication and special diets. Horses can also get skin allergies
(hives)
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
and infections (rain rot), making them miserably itchy. Their
attempts
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
to relive the itching can cause further injury and widespread
infection.
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Male horses need to have the smegma and dirt removed from their
penises
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
a few times a year. If left unattended, the smegma can build up
within
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
the urethral opening, causing obstruction of urin flow, leading to
inflammation, infection, and extreme discomfort to the horse. Mares
also
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
need their udders cleaned of smegma and dirt. This is a nasty and
disgusting job, and horses dislike it even more than people. The vet
will do it for a fee, but if the horse must be sedated, a side effect
of
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
the sedation may injure the nerves that allow the penis to extend
and
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
retract, causing the penis to dangle permanently outside the body,
exposing it to injury.
Horses need sufficient exercise of the proper type to keep them
mentally
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
and physically fit. If they are exercised irregularly, they are
prone
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
not only to developing bad behaviors, but also to "tying-up", an
extremely painful condition caused by breakdown of muscle tissue
that
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
overwhelms and damages the kidneys and other organ systems.
They need competent handling and training, otherwise they will
quickly
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
develop bad habits that are invariably dangerous to their handlers,
their riders and themselves. Poorly fitted bridles and saddles, as
well
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
as poor riding technique, can cause painful injuries to the mouth,
neck,
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
back and legs.
Horses essentially have two brains that do NOT communicate well with
each other, meaning that anything you teach on one side of the horse
must also be taught from scratch to the other side of the horse. If
a
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
horse is accustomed only to being approached and handled on the left,
if
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
you attempt to approach it on the right it will not know what to do.
It
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
may not even recognize you. When a horse does not know what to do,
it
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
either panicks and runs away, or panicks and attacks in order to
defend
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
itself.
You may want to consider finding a proper boarding facility for this
horse where it can be taken care of. Stables that provide lessons to
students can sometimes arrange a lower boarding fee in exchange for
using the horse for riding lessons. But only if the horse is sound
and
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
temperamentally suited for the type of work it will be doing. Of
course
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
you will still be required to pay for the usual farrier and vet
care,
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
and the horse will still be prone to accidents, inuries, colic,
founder,
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
and all the other disasters and diseases that can happen even with
the
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
Post by MyFriendFlicka (
best and most experienced care.
Enjoy your new horse!!
YSB
2003-08-31 00:45:17 UTC
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Hi Craig,

Sorry you've had to see the 'worse' side of Usenet -- unfortunately, it's
sometimes populated by not-so-nice people as well as nice ones. I hope you
do stick around this NG, because there are definitely those of us who care
about horses and like to discuss horse-related ideas with other like-minded
people. I've been a horse-owner, rider and riding instructor for many
years. What can I help you with in dealing with your new horse?

Yana

--
Lucat bene si ergo
Fortibus es inaero
O nobil demis trux
Sum es causen summit dux
-- Anon
Post by Craig
Aug
2003
Post by The Mom
I'm not sure what you mean by my "bothering"...
And because you've top posted, neither will anyone else.
Post by The Mom
I was simply asking if
the purpose of this newsgroup was lost on anyone else that is here...
actually, my post IS about horses, in that I WOULD like to discuss
them... but not be judged by anyone who responds to a new poster in a
manner that is also questionable.
Well, whether you like it or not, I'm still helping you by showing
you how to post properly.
Post by The Mom
So far, 99% of any posts here ARE by "jabboring idiots" (as you say).
In the two weeks I've subscribed, that is all I have to work with as
far as forming an opinion is concerned.
Frankly, your comment to my agreement that we SHOULD be talking about
horses leaves me to wonder if it's "safe" to do so, without being
judged.
If you're going to quote statistics based on your opinion of 99% of the
posters to this group, can you really expect them *not* to judge you?
OBTW, if you intend to quote and cite people, copy and paste the quote
to avoid inaccuracies and the possibility of a misunderstanding that
cannot be easily validated by top posting.
Post by The Mom
If this is a safe, supportive environment for questions... I have
plenty of them!
LOL
This is Usenet, do as you please. Although it is apparent that it'll
be *safer* for you to only ask horse related questions.
I have to put up with much abuse from others in this newsgroup, but
take no notice of them. All advice is freely given and you are under
no obligation to take it or agree with it.
HTH
HAND
This is the first time I've visited this newsgroup. We've been given a horse
to take care of and need some helpful information of feeding and general
care.
Out of all the newsgroups one would think this would be the right one. I
stated reading letters and found lots of interesting topics in the headers.
Unfortunately on opening about 20 letters I only found rubbish personal
comments and nothing about horse care at all. The posts resemble a cheap
chat room conversation and are about as interesting.
You've certainly lost me.
type your name here
2003-08-31 17:04:28 UTC
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"YouSickBastasrd" <***@yahoo.com> news:jGb4b.35675$***@fed1read07
alt.horsecare.basics 31 Aug 2003
Post by YSB
Hi Craig,
Sorry you've had to see the 'worse' side of Usenet -- unfortunately, it's
sometimes populated by not-so-nice people as well as nice ones. I hope you
do stick around this NG, because there are definitely those of us who care
about horses and like to discuss horse-related ideas with other like-minded
people. I've been a horse-owner, rider and riding instructor for many
years. What can I help you with in dealing with your new horse?
The rubbish that Craig was referring to, was from your posts!
type your name here
2003-08-29 22:29:47 UTC
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"Judy" <***@__yahoo__.com> news:nny3b.13067$***@news20.bellglobal.com alt.horsecare.basics 29
Aug 2003
If this newsgroup is moderated,
It's never been a moderated newsgroup.
then where is the moderator, and what are
they doing?????
Like I said, it's never been a moderated group. There isn't anyone doing
anything.
It takes a special kind of idiot to reply to the same question, in
the same post, twice.
I am the moderator of this newsgroup.
Since when? Yesterday?
What's with the reward and the request for personal information?
Self explanatory I thought, but you are special, so we'll leave
it there for the time being.
type your name here
2003-08-30 11:05:19 UTC
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"Judy" <***@__yahoo__.com> news:mOU3b.16918$***@news20.bellglobal.com alt.horseback.riding 30
Aug 2003
Post by type your name here
Aug 2003
If this newsgroup is moderated,
It's never been a moderated newsgroup.
then where is the moderator, and what are
they doing?????
Like I said, it's never been a moderated group. There isn't anyone doing
anything.
It takes a special kind of idiot to reply to the same question, in
the same post, twice.
And it takes an even more special idiot to respond to someone considered to
be a special kind of idiot.
<no comment>
Post by type your name here
I am the moderator of this newsgroup.
Since when? Yesterday?
What's with the reward and the request for personal information?
Self explanatory I thought, but you are special, so we'll leave
it there for the time being.
Sounds like a plan.
<no comment>
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